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  • da_trem
    S2Forum Buff
    • Mar 2008
    • 45
    • Country: Canada

    #1051
    If the motor isn't knocking on both types of fuel(same ign. map), why then is it more powerful with ethanol?..isn't ethanol less "energic" than petrol?

    ..or is it that there simply more boost added to the ethanol tune?
    1996 Audi S6, VEMS, S362.

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    • Thuppu
      S2Forum Freak
      • Sep 2010
      • 4115
      • Country: Finland

      #1052
      I don't know why, one thing can be that ethanol cools down the combustion. According to kenax there is a ~5% gain when switching from E98 to RE85 without touching the ignition and boost. Of course you have to tune the fuel map to suit the 85, something like +30%.
      Last edited by Thuppu; 19 April 2014, 13:43.

      Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #1053
        Originally posted by da_trem
        If the motor isn't knocking on both types of fuel(same ign. map), why then is it more powerful with ethanol?..isn't ethanol less "energic" than petrol?

        ..or is it that there simply more boost added to the ethanol tune?
        Because ethanol contains oxygen.
        Also ethanol cools down the air when evaporating.

        Thus there is much higher cylinder charge with ethanol at the same boost level.
        http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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        • da_trem
          S2Forum Buff
          • Mar 2008
          • 45
          • Country: Canada

          #1054
          Ah! that explains it! ...oxygen.

          Thanks Dimitri!
          1996 Audi S6, VEMS, S362.

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          • Thuppu
            S2Forum Freak
            • Sep 2010
            • 4115
            • Country: Finland

            #1055
            Fuel delivery



            Spark plug check after 1700km...



            Really can't tell of the color how the filling is, about 700km driven with the new IM...

            Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
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            BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
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            • Error404
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2007
              • 19789
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #1056


              Looks like you are a building a Jihadi wagon
              Panthero CoupƩ quattro 20vt
              Indigo ABY coupƩ
              Imola B6 S4 Avant

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              • Thuppu
                S2Forum Freak
                • Sep 2010
                • 4115
                • Country: Finland

                #1057
                Originally posted by Error404
                Looks like you are a building a Jihadi wagon
                Now when you say it, there is of course a chance to see it that way.

                Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                • Thuppu
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 4115
                  • Country: Finland

                  #1058
                  Filled up the tank from an other station and now propably got some "winter" mix e85, engine started to run pig rich on wot, lambda droped from 0,79 to 0,73. Well, decided to change the turbo now and see if it compensates the AFR... Lamba rised to 0,77 with it. Seems to flow some more, and spool starts about 300rpm higher up.








                  Did also fit some safety equipment in the cockpit

                  Last edited by Thuppu; 27 April 2014, 20:01.

                  Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                  Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                  BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                  BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                  • Wrath
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 779
                    • Country: Sweden

                    #1059
                    Earplugs and fire extinguisher !
                    1995 Audi S6 - AAN (~350hp)
                    2008 BMW 530xd (235hp)
                    2008 Hyundai i30 - 1.6 CRDI (89hp)
                    2011 KTM 990 SMR - custom tuned (120whp)

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #1060
                      Originally posted by Thuppu

                      Are you sure it's big enough Thomas?

                      We need vids!!!
                      Panthero CoupƩ quattro 20vt
                      Indigo ABY coupƩ
                      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                      • Rocco
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 6393
                        • Country: Spain

                        #1061
                        wheel loader“s turbo
                        RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nĀŗ 16 of 250
                        BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nĀŗ 189 of 250
                        LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                        • Thuppu
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 4115
                          • Country: Finland

                          #1062
                          Alex, the turbo outside measures are exactly the same as before, only internals are a bit bigger. This is a ~750hp turbo. Nice to see how stock pistons holds up. They should hold though.

                          Wrath, earplugs are nice when you have to drive a lot on highway. This isn't exactly a silent car... ask Dmitri. You also never know when these hit fire, burning hot turbo and a leaking oil- or fuel line and you have a rolling torch. The insurance do not cover everything you have put and done on the car, even that the car itself has almost zero value.

                          Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                          Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                          BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                          BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                          • Laaf
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 275
                            • Country: Finland

                            #1063
                            Originally posted by Thuppu
                            Wrath, earplugs are nice when you have to drive a lot on highway. This isn't exactly a silent car... ask Dmitri.
                            When speaking on the phone last summer to Dmitri, he had to ask Thomas to pull off the road to be able to speak to me

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                            • Wrath
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 779
                              • Country: Sweden

                              #1064
                              Thomas, I know just thought it was a good looking image But you can always get a special Insurance that will cover the car“s expense but then that would be so high you get nightmares Have a fire extinguisher as well but no earplugs
                              1995 Audi S6 - AAN (~350hp)
                              2008 BMW 530xd (235hp)
                              2008 Hyundai i30 - 1.6 CRDI (89hp)
                              2011 KTM 990 SMR - custom tuned (120whp)

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                              • K Simmonds
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 7627
                                • Country: Wales

                                #1065
                                I carry a small fire extinguisher in my S2 at all times, it get's chuffing hot under the bonnet of these car's.

                                Awesome project by the way.
                                1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                                1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                                1994 MTM RS2.
                                1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                                2000 B5 TQS.

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